I've designed a stage based on Andy Brown's taking down an active shooter
http://proarms.podbean.com/ Scroll down to Andy Brown, or http://proarms.podbean.com/mf/web/5ipxy7/033.mp3
The shooter starts straddling a bike. At the buzzer they dismount, drop the bike, and fire at least 4 shots (like Andy did) at a single IDPA target at 70
yards, standing, kneeling, or prone.
Yes, the target is twice as far as referenced by the IDPA rule book. I know that. It's a local match and I'm taking some liberties.
My question is this. I'm thinking of a) scoring only the two best hits (to match Andy's two hits on the shooter) and b) not assessing FTN's due to
the large distance. Do these tweaks seem like a good idea?
Your thoughts? If you want to just +#%@* that I'm not following the rule book to the letter, don't bother posting.
Koski
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COF Question (Looong shots)
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Posts: 1060 (11/03/09 15:19:49) |
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Posts: 756 (11/03/09 16:29:31) |
Having to walk 140 yards between shooters will lead to a loooong match... A cart or 4 wheeler might speed things up.
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Chuck |
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Posts: 159 (11/03/09 16:44:58) |
Hot Brass wrote:...or the bike mentioned in the OP. 
Chuck
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Posts: 164 (11/03/09 17:02:07) |
Sounds like fun, except for the scoring issue. Good luck, and let us here how it comes out.
Herb A-20721
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Posts: 1061 (11/03/09 17:33:31) |
Ooh! You guys just gave me an idea. I might set up 3 targets, color code them to avoid confusion, and have 3 shooters shoot before a trip down range.
The bike idea is good too, but the gravel is fairly loose and it might be a struggle. We need a four wheeler! Thanks! Koski |
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Posts: 533 (11/03/09 19:02:33) |
You could put an IDPA target with the minus three blacked out for hard cover at 25 or 35 yards and get about the same results. That walk will get really old.
One of the local clubs used targets with the -3 blacked out at 25 yards and still had a bunch of misses. If you want to mess with minds, use a big target backer painted black and paste with brown pasters to show all the misses. 
Bill
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Posts: 3340 (11/03/09 19:20:55) |
Steve,
I once asked HQ about the "occasional shots out to 35 yards," and I recall that it meant no shots past 35 yards. Ken Reed |
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Posts: 1063 (11/03/09 19:41:14) |
I like to think of it as meaning,
"occasional targets out to 35 yards are to be encouraged...and occasionally targets a hell of a lot further are swell too." That may be my own twisted imagination though. LOL! Koski |
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 1066 (11/03/09 23:49:57) |
So mulling this over some more...
I'm thinking of putting the target at 35 yards, and assessing the FTN penalties. Makes it easier to hit, and spices it up with FTN's for those that can't. Koski |
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Posts: 64 (11/04/09 01:45:52) |
That part sound like it is by the book and I certainly won't +#%@* about that.
Are you requiring a minimum of 2 shots with 2 best hit's scored? Sandy Sandy Wylie IDPA AC AK/OR/WA |
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Posts: 1067 (11/04/09 11:39:02) |
No, I'm gonna be a prick and require 4 shots, but score only the best two. That makes me feel like it's an "Andy Brown" stage instead of just
a target at 35 yards. Maybe I need a psychyatrist.
Koski |
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Posts: 65 (11/04/09 12:27:14) |
Steve, I understand that this is a local match and you are not operating under the eyes of the AC for sanctioned status. I would like you to consider the following point of view. When you require that the competitor fire shots that have no scoring value, you are altering our scoring system (which works very well in reasonable course designs). In this particular case you are in effect penalizing the accurate shooters, granted not much but, requiring shots to be fired that have no scoring value is a step in the wrong direction.
I have a stage design from Paul Terrenzio that was used in the 2009 WA State match that is based on these events. If you would like to see it I could email it to you.
Sandy Sandy Wylie IDPA AC AK/OR/WA |
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 1068 (11/04/09 12:37:01) |
I'm well aware of that.
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 1126 (11/30/09 18:01:10) |
So we shot this stage Saturday. When setting up the match, my assistant MD freaked out when I told him we were only going to shoot it at 40 yards, so I
relented and we shot it at 70 yards. I put 4 rournds down range in 7.something seconds from prone, had one miss, two down 3's (both left) and one -1 (left
of the circle). My son (16) put 10 rounds down range and had 6 hits!
Fun stage. Andy Brown, What a hero. Koski |
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freeidaho |
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Posts: 3363 (11/30/09 23:37:42) |
Steve,
Does you club follow any of the IDPA rules? Ken Reed |
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Posts: 1129 (11/30/09 23:46:03) |
Yes.
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Posts: 3365 (12/01/09 01:18:46) |
Steve,
I guess I should get off dead center and drive the 6 hours down to your match and have some fun. Thanks, Ken Reed |
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Posts: 403 (12/07/09 14:08:56) |
Steve Koski wrote: I don't know about the psychyatrist. but what do you achieve by requiriing 4 shots and only scoring 2? You may be adding .44 of a second in time but increasing the odds of two down zeros. Less challenging I would think. Steve it sounds like a more approriate answer to Ken's question should have been " some when we feel like it" although yes works. Take Care Bob
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Posts: 11 (12/29/09 23:06:51) |
Steve why don't you make it a 6th optional stage and I would use three 12 or 8 inch fixed plates and require 2 hits each. Not sure why you thought you
would do better in a prone position? Most 1911 shooters at one point in there life or other will pratice at 50 yards often. Most 44 mag hunters will as well,
I'd like to try it with my 9mm.
Jim If what you are referring to is the G&A articule, I believe his 210 foot shots was from neeling and the hits were one to the sholder and one to the head.
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Posts: 1195 (12/30/09 13:22:18) |
I haven't read the G&A article, but yes, that was my understanding: Four shots fired from kneeling, one hit to the head (terminal), one hit to the
shoulder. 70 yards.
Koski |
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