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 gryff |
Sanctioned Match CoFs - Post before the match or not? |
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Posts: 102 (09/15/09 11:05:23) |
We've got a sanctioned match coming up, and I was wondering what people's thoughts are on the posting of CoFs prior to the event. Traditionally,
I've been opposed to it, but I'm hearing more and more requests for it.
Thoughts?
Jim G.
A22541 "My friends and family deny all knowledge of my existence, let alone my opinions." |
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Jane |
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Posts: 1190 (09/15/09 11:23:01) |
Somewhat offsets the "home court" advantages that SOs have who've helped set up the match.
For a multi-day match, lookers will wander through the day before they shoot to get a look at the stages anyway. Helps people have some idea of how much ammo they think they'll need to bring, along with props (flashlight, etc.) and whether they want to bring the gun with night sights. Interesting-looking stages may boost sign-ups. The converse is also true.
Jane - Expert on nothing with opinions on everything...
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Hot Brass |
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Posts: 704 (09/15/09 11:48:55) |
I usually post our COF a few days before the match. Not enough time for people to go out and practice the stages, but enough time for them to download and
print them. It is helpful to those who have never been to our range before.
-Capel
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Matt M |
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Posts: 183 (09/15/09 14:28:02) |
Nope.... I don't.
Matt
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 984 (09/15/09 14:32:44) |
I think the writeups are less than helpful when they SUCK!!!
So I say publish or don't publish ahead of time based on your own preference. But please, read them carefully, several times, and have others read them several times, and edit them accordingly. Love, Koski |
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Gregg Kratochvil |
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Posts: 413 (09/15/09 15:33:09) |
How many times has anyone received a match book that you could shoot the match by with no special directions by the SO? How many stages actually look like the
book?
Publish away. If your competition burns into their mind the match book they will certainly screw the actual match. |
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Bones |
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Posts: 577 (09/15/09 15:33:14) |
No.
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 985 (09/15/09 15:35:58) |
Yeah, I guess we all know what to expect, which is not much.
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gryff |
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Posts: 105 (09/15/09 15:47:20) |
Steve Koski wrote: What the hell?
Jim G.
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 986 (09/15/09 16:24:09) |
I've seen some pretty crappy COF writeups. A couple pretty good ones too!
I guess you've seen nothing but good ones Jim? Koski |
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gryff |
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Posts: 106 (09/15/09 16:34:34) |
Steve Koski wrote: No, but I thought you were implying that the stuff I've done in the past falls in the "pretty crappy" category.
Jim G.
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 987 (09/15/09 17:09:07) |
I don't know if I've ever seen your stuff. Have I?
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Gregg Kratochvil |
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Posts: 414 (09/15/09 18:30:18) |
Jane wrote:There is some truth in this argument as well. I remember reading about a controversial match where the MD said that 3 of the stages were blind and no one except for him and some maintenance guys saw them until game day yet the MD was one of the competitors shooting for score. How is that fair? It's a volunteer sport so I don't suggest that the workers not shoot it, only that they not get an unfair advantage. Everyone needs to get a chance to have fun with it or there wouldn't be any volunteers. When I work a match I figure it's by duty to give back to the sport that I enjoy. Normally I don't see it being a problem one way or the other if they are published or not except in the case of so called blind stages that will never be fair to all the shooters. |
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gryff |
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Posts: 107 (09/15/09 19:17:23) |
Gregg Kratochvil wrote:The MD also won his division. 
Jim G.
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M47 Dragon |
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Posts: 37 (09/15/09 22:38:21) |
I think it's a good idea, and I am not just saying that because I am shooting Jim's match... lol.
I agree that it offsets the advantages the staff & SOs have, and would also go some distance in smoothing over the attitude that range "homers" are treated preferentially.
Brad
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Jim Watson |
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Posts: 619 (09/16/09 08:41:40) |
The last match I went to had the CoFs on their www site three or four days before the shoot. The one before that issued printed programs the day before which
was useful only if you were overnighting (as I was.)
I give them a once over to be able to understand the description on the range but don't try to memorize anything. The diagrams are not to scale and do not reflect last minute changes made when the SO shoot discovered something that sounded good but does not really work. |
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Posts: 234 (09/16/09 15:14:06) |
Posting the COFs on the web also saves the expense and hassle of printing a match booklet.
--Lin
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Posts: 3714 (09/16/09 16:03:29) |
I'm not a fan of posting them too early. I know for a fact that people will set up the stages when you do post them. For the most part it is harmless,
except for simpler stages and standards. Then it is very advantageous to set it up ahead of time.
Ted
Cover Me, I'm going Slo-Mo!
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gryff |
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Posts: 108 (09/16/09 17:46:21) |
rledwards wrote: Unfortunately, it doesn't. There are still enough competitors that are not big on the Internet, so they need hard copies of the CoFs. Even if we post our stages, we'll do a full match book.
Jim G.
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Posts: 145 (09/16/09 21:59:18) |
What I've done as a sanctioned match director is to post the COF to the competitors about 5 days before the match. That's about 1 day after the same
stages go out to the match staff. Both get the same number of days prior to the match to practice, mock up COF's, whatever their heart desires.
Pre-posting does make the playing field more level for every competitor, including staff/SO's.
I'm also of the opinion that the match should allow all competitors the same stage preview opportunity. We allow competitors to view stages during the SO's match day, which is the day before the match begins for competitors. The SO's do a mass detail walk-thru of the stages before they shoot, that in addition to stage set-up, which occurs the day before, constitutes their preview opportunity. We do the match book too. It's another opportunity to communicate with the shooters, as well as to display sponsor's information. Jack |
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Hot Brass |
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Posts: 714 (09/16/09 22:34:35) |
I've never seen a match booklet that was detailed enough to be of much value. The exception being the Postal Match, but it's obvious why this one has
to have so much detail. As Ted points out, only the simple stages can be practiced if the COF is published far enough in advance. However, I've never seen
a match won on the simple stages, although I've seen and experienced matches lost on them. I can move a single target 12 inches and it can change the whole
way stage plays out, so practicing the stages does not make much sense.
Frank Glover has always said "the match booklet is for entertainment purposes only. You must shoot the stage the way the SO's tell you to do it." I have to agree with him because tweaks are often necessary after the booklet has been published.
-Capel
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