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glock21	Gun Give away	Lead	[-]
Posts: 2 (06/17/09 22:04:20) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Why does IDAP get so up set about guns being given away at a major shoot? I was told that they had a shoot (Match) in AZ and they gave them to the top shooters. Why would anyone have a problem with this? your thoughts. Jay K.
drizzico		#1	[-]
Posts: 191 (06/18/09 02:16:10) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	If you award a significant prize for winning an event, Humans by their very nature are going to strive to win it. Some will go to any lengths to win it. Just look at Watergate, there was no reason that Nixon needed that information. He would have and did win the election by a landslide without any of the information that would have been obtained. Or what about Football last year where Belecheck (Sp?) was caught video taping other teams practices. What about cheating in Stock Card racing... It use to be the norm that if you were not cheating you where not trying hard enough... Why ask for trouble. Especially if you want to avoid a weapons race in the sport. By taking that one motivation out of the equation you go along way to ensure that there will be a lot less cheating or skirting of the rules (intent vs. letter of the law.) I won't say it eliminates it completely it just helps mitigate it. Heck I've seen shooters at local club matches do all they can to win a match. Even one individual blatantly stated that he round dumped to get a better reload. (The SO, a friend of his would not give him the FTDR...) Even this past weekend I saw an individual in my squad using what appeared to be rosin (which I think of as a competition only piece of equipment) on his hand to ensure that he had a better grip on his gun. (I didn't call him on it since I could not prove it wasn't some medicine that looked like rosin.) So based on that alone I think taking the prizes out of the equation is a good thing... Just my two bullets worth... Dave
Steve J		#2	[-]
Posts: 212 (06/18/09 07:47:56) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	They do not have any problem at all with guns being giving away. The rules state that all prizes and cash awards other than trophies MUST be given away by random draw NOT based on performance. The match in question was a sanctioned match and was obligated to abide by the rules. If you want to do it at a local match, it's officially discouraged, but not a direct violation of the rules like it was at the sanctioned match in question. This discussion took place here > http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/5127 starting on the second page. It was discussed ad nauseum and was closed. There is no need to reopen the discussion again. Steve J A17557
freeidaho		#3	[-]
Posts: 3120 (06/18/09 09:14:13) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Steve, Here is the excerp from the rulebook. Are you sure the Prize rules do not apply to local matches? Ken Reed Award and Prize Rules Award Rules apply to Sanctioned Matches and are only suggestions for club matches. Awards Trophies will be awarded based on number of contestants per class and division and go to the top third of those competitors. One (1) trophy should be awarded for every three (3) shooters entered in a particular division and class. Each division shall stand alone and there will be no 'high overall' trophy awarded. Awards are to be presented in the following manner: Division Champion (overall highest score in division regardless of classification), 1^st place, 2^nd place, etc, in each classification and division. Example: 1-5 shooters in ESP/MM = 1 trophy. 6-8 shooters in ESP/MM = 2 trophies. 9-11 shooters in ESP/MM = 3 trophies. Prizes *Any merchandise donated for use as prizes will be distributed randomly. IDPA does not* endorse nor approve any type of incentive program based on shooter performance.**
Steve J		#4	[-]
Posts: 213 (06/18/09 13:16:33) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	No, Ken, I guess I'm not sure. Like many others I seem to have read something into the rules (in this case "does not endorse") that is not there. The emphasis should simply be on "does not approve." Steve J A17557
freeidaho		#5	[-]
Posts: 3123 (06/18/09 13:24:02) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Steve, No biggie. I have been reading the rulebook since 1999 and I'm still learning. Thanks! Ken Reed
Steve Koski		#6	[-]
Posts: 818 (06/18/09 21:32:19) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Because it's against IDPA rules. One of the main founding differences between IDPA and other shooting sports is that IDPA does not award prizes based on shooter performance. This cuts down on the %%$+% factor: People behaving like %%$+% because a $600 gun is at stake if they win. Koski
wilinaz1911		#7	[-]
Posts: 38 (06/25/09 21:49:25) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The rule states donated prizes specifically. Nobody knew how the division prize guns were to be distrubuted. The top 3 in all classes of the divisions were eligable. I was at the match and the only complaints I heard were here and not there. And by people who weren't there. Bill
Steve Koski		#8	[-]
Posts: 829 (06/25/09 21:53:46) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	The lack of immediate complaints means nothing Bill. I know this carries a lot of weight with you. Did HQ ever take a position on this? Hmmm. Oh yeah, they said it was clearly against IDPA rules. Koski
wilinaz1911		#9	[-]
Posts: 39 (06/25/09 22:07:18) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	All they need to do is drop the donated portion from the book and all would be clear. I don't really care about it that much. I did SO the match, you know how much work that is. I got a box of 9mm off the prize table, don't own one. All I am saying is we don't need implied rules. The way this is worded in the book it is about as clear as cover being avaliable, even if it's 10 yds away. The wording in the book needs to be cleaned up to eliminate the gray areas. I am not for making it OK to award guns for finishing positions. I'm sure that with hindsight things would have been different. We can agree to disagree. Bill
Hot Brass		#10	[-]
Posts: 619 (06/25/09 22:21:55) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Steve J wrote: This discussion took place here > http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/5127 starting on the second page. It was discussed ad nauseum and was closed. There is no need to reopen the discussion again. Guys, please read the thread above and stop beating a dead horse. -Capel www.gadpa.com
j ted murphy		#11	[-]
Posts: 3664 (06/26/09 04:28:35) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	This was resolved by HQ. Donated or purchased, the prizes have to be given out randomly. Capel gave a link to the appropriate thread. Ted Cover Me, I'm going Slo-Mo!

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