wow...just when i thought i seen stupidity in its purest form...someone tops it. i had the "pleasure" of meeting a guy that was a former blackwater
employee, and let me say i will be happy if they arent ever associated with IDPA...my two cents.
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Posts: 30 (06/17/09 20:00:00) |
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Posts: 1 (06/17/09 21:58:12) |
Is this the state match in Idaho that this took place at?
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Posts: 214 (06/18/09 13:17:39) |
Off to a good start, Jay.
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Posts: 175 (06/18/09 23:48:04) |
Yeager's response.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R3t0wuLDWQ Massimo |
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Posts: 822 (06/19/09 10:56:21) |
He promotes firing guns near live people during training, so you'll be able/willing to do it in the real world.
"Putting people in front of the firing line makes people safer." Koski |
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Posts: 146 (06/19/09 11:30:59) |
Watched that video and saw a variation of the Agent in a class full of kids.
Well, this is one Internet Commando that will never give this guy the time of day. There are so many better options. I am,,, RICK |
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Posts: 824 (06/19/09 14:29:10) |
Yeager is obviously a logician of the highest order. By his logic, the closer we place someone to harm, the safer we make people. Instead of using a 180° rule,
we should use a 30° rule, or perhaps a 5° rule, or a 0.5° rule, allowing people to stand infinitely close to bullet impact point.
Wrong answer dude. Greater risk is greater risk. Sometimes greater risk is warranted, sometimes it is not. It is a judgement call. Placing a camera man out in front of a long line of shooters looks an awful lot like unwarranted risk and reckless endangerment to me. But what do I know, that's just my opinon. Got to agree with Radome here. So many good training options. Why waste time with this bozo? Koski |
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Posts: 108 (06/20/09 15:39:27) |
Diesel doc wrote:I don't attend any defensive firearms training that has a cold range rule and a "180" rule. Both are fine for games such as IDPA but not for training for the real thing. Jose Rossy
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Posts: 361 (06/20/09 21:47:49) |
You can train "for the real thing" without creating unsafe situations, and don't let any mall ninja wanna-be who has never done anything more
noteworthy than getting people to buy his DVDs tell you otherwise.
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Posts: 37 (06/22/09 12:43:25) |
Well, I'm late getting in on these threads both here and on my local IDPA forum. The thread's been pulled from youTube. Can someone give a brief
description of what I missed and why it's causing such a furor? I'm getting the idea that it has something to do with someone being downrange while
another someone shoots in their direction. Yes? And this was in a "training class" and not at an IDPA match? Thanks.
Wyley A03820
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Posts: 365 (06/22/09 16:27:07) |
A cameraman was placed kneeling between two targets on a line of shooters that was spaced roughly a yard apart, while they all did multiple shots from the
holster. There wasn't much room for error, and the shooters didn't look like they were of the "error free" variety.
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Posts: 8 (06/22/09 22:46:40) |
By the way, that wasn't just a cameraman. It was Jay Gibson, one of the TR instructors. He has shown up in at least one of these threads on a related
forum to defend the practice.
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Posts: 367 (06/23/09 05:57:10) |
That's good, because mere cameramen aren't bullet proof. Glad it was someone tactical.
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Posts: 39 (06/24/09 00:41:42) |
YO! Now I understand all the traffic about this. Thanks for the info. I was assuming that it was NOT a IDPA match and am not surprised to find out that it
wasn't. But if somebody DID put a round through the cameraman, would it have been just a 5 second penalty for hit on a non-threat?!? Which segues very
nicely into the thread I'm about to post.....
Wyley A03820
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Posts: 12 (06/26/09 12:46:11) |
Hi, there, fellas,
Saw where folks are having problems seeing the video. Got a lot of chatter on the Indiana forum (believe it or not, some were passionately defending it). Thought I'd share with you a link to that thread where you can actually still see the video and the rebuttal video. Absolutely stunned me completely. http://ingunowners.com/forums/tactics_and_training/40067-the_pink_elephant_t_r_video.html Enjoy the read. Leigh Ann J |
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Posts: 44 (06/30/09 15:42:16) |
maybe they know something i dont, but if i am ever looking down THAT end of a gun, i hope its not a videocamera that i have in my hand.
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Posts: 148 (07/01/09 19:29:40) |
He is running adverts in magazines now that mock the issue.
"Are you tired of being treated like a child?" Why am I waiting for a punch line like: How my beer and watch this! (?) I am,,, RICK |
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Posts: 45 (07/01/09 21:54:09) |
yeah...nothing better than mocking safety!!! hey kids its fine to look down the barrel of a gun....if "unload and show clear" is being treated like a
child, then get me my pacifier! im sure those unloaded guns hurt like hell when they blow a hole in you.
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Posts: 374 (07/02/09 06:00:34) |
Old business plan for second raters. If you're offering the same thing as everyone else, and you're not the best at it, convince everyone that
you're somehow different. Invent a new process/technique/ect and a invent a reason everyone should come to you to learn it/ buy it. There are enough people
out there easily separated from their money that will patronize you.
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Posts: 5 (07/12/09 19:12:11) |
"At the end one guy does a Charlie's Angels pose with his gun next to his face and turns back and forth"
Yeah, that would be scanning for more threats, you know, like anywhere they might be, I dunno like maybe behind you. I know they might just be thugs and haven't figured out that a sucker punch wins every time, but maybe, just maybe they saw a movie where it worked. The pointing up, well, if your kids are with you, you may not want to point down. I suppose that breaks this 180 rule that doesn't exist in IDPA. Where did you find that anyway? I checked the 4 laws of safe gun handling, I didn't find it. I even used the "edit" tab and the "find " option. Garry
Saving the world, 230 grains at a time.
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