A buddy just called me, says his match booklet says that if you want to dispute a SO call and bring the MD out to make a ruling, you have to submit a
non-refundable $100 fee.
LOL!!!
Koski
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Posts: 728 (05/01/09 16:46:52) |
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Posts: 729 (05/01/09 17:13:05) |
Whoops. I thought I was posting this in the Match Chat section.
Mods - Feel free to move it. Koski |
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Posts: 332 (05/01/09 18:37:07) |
It sounds like they are confused. They must think that this is a USPSA match.
If that's for real, I would like to see a scan of the book with that language. The is no such language in any of their match information online. I would be upset if I traveled to this match and they were to sneak something like that in. Say it's not so.
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Posts: 730 (05/01/09 19:15:44) |
That's what I said after I laughted heartily (borrowed rule from USPSA).
Here's the potential problem: As it stands now, in theory the MD gets the final say on any call, so any call the SO makes can theoretically be petitioned to the MD. Shoooters (or a shooter) can protest a lot. The MD could potentially have to be everywhere at once all day long to give a final ruling on every decision the SOs make. I know this doesn't normally happen, and this isn't IDPA culture, but some individuals could become troublesome. Koski |
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Posts: 333 (05/01/09 21:03:22) |
I can just imagine the choice words that Bill Wilson would have for the match director that would invoke a USPSA rule at an IDPA sanctioned match.
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Posts: 731 (05/02/09 00:07:00) |
Yeah, it would be fun to be a fly on the wall and hear that one!!!
I've seen 180 degree rules used at sanctioned matches. In fact, most of the sanctioned matches I've shot invoke a 180 degree rule and don't use cones. They say it's a "range rule." Koski |
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Posts: 76 (05/02/09 05:12:30) |
This isn't a USPSA rule. There is a fee if you want to go over the Range Master's head (MDs don't make "final" calls in USPSA) and have a
call arbitrated by a committee, but a competitor always has the right to go over the SO's head to the RM without any kind of fee being incurred.
This is just bad match management. Part of the MD's job is to make the final call on disputes. Don't like it? Don't be an MD. And remember that the MD always has in their pocket the "Unsportsmanlike Conduct" FTDR if a competitor is getting out of hand with repeated arguments.
Jim G.
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Posts: 3571 (05/02/09 09:52:31) |
That is interesting.
Ted
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Posts: 3574 (05/03/09 11:49:29) |
I try very hard not to pan another MD's work. I know the hard work involved, the stress on the person, and the annoyance at being Monday morning
quarterbacked by an internet group.
Having said that, I thought about this for two days and I cannot get behind this idea at all. While the rules do not prohibit charging a fee to dispute a call to the MD, I firmly believe that this is against the spirit of IDPA and the founder's intent. I believe that shooter has the right to discuss a call with the Match Director and there should be no impediment- financial or otherwise, to this access. So if this was actually a policy in effect at any IDPA match, I would consider it a black day for the sport. Ted Murphy
Cover Me, I'm going Slo-Mo!
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Gregg Kratochvil |
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Posts: 334 (05/03/09 15:22:43) |
Ted
I'm with you 100% on this as well. The only thing holding back my condemnation of this action is that I have not seen it for myself. I want to see a scan of the match book with the language reported. How much effort does it really take to walk over to the bay in question and agree with your SO or quote page 55 from the rule book. |
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Posts: 319 (05/03/09 18:26:06) |
I don't think I've been to a match yet where the MD didn't say in the shooter's briefing something along the lines of "If you dispute a
call, I will be happy to show up and agree with my SOs". I'm new to the sport, this being my 3rd season, but I have only seen one call disputed in a
dozen sanctioned matches.
I see this "fee" as totally unnecessary, bad for the sport, and I suspect (if it is true) that it is a reaction to some very specific incident, perhaps at the previous year's match. |
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Posts: 31 (05/03/09 23:40:24) |
I saw in the entry form that they were going to award a gun for each class, but the only shooters able to win these awards would have to be 1,2,3, in their
class.
Is this not a clear violation of the IDPA rulebook. I thought all awards of any cash value had to be given out in a raffle type procedure? Did this actually happen? John Knoff |
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Posts: 183 (05/04/09 00:48:57) |
Any merchandise donated for use as prizes will be distributed randomly. IDPA does NOT ENDORSE NOR APPROVE any type of incentive program based on shooter
performance.
and IDPA is a Trophy ONLY Club based sport. Due to the trophy only status of IDPA, a large burden has been taken
off the match organizers since they do not have to worry about soliciting cash and merchandise prizes for their events.
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Posts: 516 (05/04/09 07:55:57) |
9MM Guy wrote:I would anticipate that HQ will have a problem with this.
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Posts: 3003 (05/04/09 09:27:22) |
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Bones |
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Posts: 527 (05/04/09 09:44:36) |
Well, if it flies, I'm submitting several requests for back pay.
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Posts: 335 (05/04/09 12:42:36) |
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Posts: 736 (05/04/09 13:55:44) |
I have to say that the prize drawing based on shooter performance bothers me quite a bit. I have seen otherwise pretty good people turn into a-holes when a
valuable prize was on the line. IDPA's prohibition of this is a really good idea IMHO.
I'll wait to hear back from my buddy to see if this stuff really happened. Koski |
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Posts: 32 (05/04/09 20:52:56) |
The division gun drawings were totally separated from the normal prize table. The nonrefundable protest fee was a poltically incorrect joke. If I make a call
and the MD reverses it, he needs to find another SO. I was there, he wasn't. I believe the match and the prize table went well.
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Posts: 741 (05/04/09 22:47:04) |
Bill,
1) So you're saying that the protest fee text was a joke and there wasn't really a protest fee? 2) How did the division gun drawings work? Thx, Koski |
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j ted murphy |
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Posts: 3579 (05/05/09 06:45:52) |
As the source of the policies and procedures for the match, the match booklet is the wrong place to be making a joke. If that was their intent.
It is extremely probable that one or more competitors would take it at face value and be robbed if due process. It really is not that difficult for the MD to give a shooter a minute or so of their time. I do not see why this is even an issue. Ted
Cover Me, I'm going Slo-Mo!
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