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 Chills1994 |
Safety on or off when you holster after LAMR? |
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Posts: 138 (03/01/06 00:29:48) |
I haven't actually perused the rule book all that much.
After actually LAMR'ing, do you have to put your gun's safety to the on or safe position before holstering? Brad |
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bruce282 |
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Posts: 179 (03/01/06 08:23:25) |
Brad,
I don't know the official answer, but I always engage the safety after LAMR. I shot a G17 for a year, but recently I've been shooting a 1911 or a CZ and so now I have a safety toe engage. And yes the first time I used the CZ in a local USPSC match I pulled the trigger 3 times before I remembered the safety was on.  Bruce |
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j ted murphy |
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Posts: 3799 (03/01/06 09:14:12) |
Not on an SSp gun, that is optional.
On a Single action gun, you must set the safety before holstering. ted Cover Me, I'm going Slo-Mo!
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Chills1994 |
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Posts: 138 (03/04/06 16:52:20) |
Thanks for the replies.
Now I know. Brad |
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gryff |
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Posts: 122 (05/05/06 14:04:39) |
It was explained to me that you need to employ all gun safeties and holster retention devices, since this is how you would carry in the real world using that gear. Personally, I would never carry a gun with the safety off.
-Jim Griffiths |
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Chuck Edwards |
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Posts: 744 (05/05/06 21:52:51) |
Jim - With a single action pistol like a Colt Gov't Model or a Browning High Power, you're absolutely right.
Many folks who shoot DA/SA autos like the Beretta 92 and S&W autos leave the safety off and rely on the DA first shot to provide enough safety. Doing this makes them function like a revolver for the first shot, and doesn't make them unsafe. OTOH, some shooters who carry these guns do so with the safety engaged in case of a gun grab, to make it more difficult for a BG to use their own gun against them. Regards,
Chuck Edwards Against the Dictatorship of Relativism |
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Posts: 12 (12/10/09 14:00:31) |
All safeties MUST be engaged after loading and making ready. A safety is a safety regardless of a D/A first shot and must be engaged. Guy
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 1156 (12/10/09 14:34:10) |
Wrong.
Read ChuckE's post. DAO or DA/SA guns don't need to use the manual safety if one is present. Koski |
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rch |
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Posts: 18 (12/15/09 11:57:31) |
As far as I know, a DA/SA can start hammer down with safety off. But if starting fully cocked it must have the safety on. If the gun only has a decocker then
it must start hammer down.
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 1175 (12/15/09 12:25:10) |
Yep!
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robertbank.czechpistols82792 |
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Posts: 410 (12/15/09 12:53:55) |
The CZ DA/SA start hammer down in SSP. The Safety cannot be engaged as the design of the pistol won't allow it nor, as Ted has pointed out, does it have to
in SSP. In ESP DA/SA and S/A guns starting cocked, the safety must be engaged. For decocker models in SSP the gun must be fully decocked which is not to be
confused with "hammer down". In ESP decocker guns must start decocked. The same rules apply for CDP.
Take Care Bob
Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com
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Gunnersmith |
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Posts: 18 (12/21/09 19:09:35) |
Refer to rule S9. All CoF will be started with the pistol holstered and SAFE, hands clear of equipment as directed by the SO unless other positions for the
pistol are stipulated. And then there is rule C15...Pistols must start from the mechanical condition of readiness appropriate to their design and be loaded to
division capacity. So based on the rules all pistol must be on safe before starting a COF. So a S&W DA/SA pistol or CZ-75 in DA mode or S/A mode must be
on safe before starting. Safety first! Stating with your pistol holstered off safe is gaming, and on my stage gets you a FTDR. Guy
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 1179 (12/21/09 22:07:22) |
Wrong again. Nobody interprets the rule that way. Give the name of any area coordinator, safety officer instructor or past sanctioned match director that
interprets the rule that way. Give out a FTDR for that at a sanctioned match and just see how fast you are overruled by the MD.
"Pistols must start from the mechanical condition of readiness appropriate for their design" means DA/SA guns can start hammer down, safety off, which is the condition of readiness appropriate for that design. Koski |
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Posts: 80 (12/21/09 23:22:32) |
What Koski said, exactly. Hammer down, safety off, is the accepted "condition of readiness" for a DA/SA pistol.
... Tom
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Steve Koski |
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Posts: 1180 (12/21/09 23:31:42) |
I'm starting to think Guy is just funning with us.
Koski |
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robertbank.czechpistols82792 |
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Posts: 419 (12/22/09 00:59:14) |
For SSP the hammer MUST be down, that is fully down on DA/SA guns, or decocked where guns have a decocker. If you are shooting ESP with a DA/SA gun like a
CZ you can either start hammer down or Cocked & Locked at the option of the shooter. The safeties on a CZ 75 Series guns and their variants cannot be
engaged when the hammer is down. The Tanfoglios (EAA Witness in the US), A CZ clone, have a safety that is operable when the hammer is fully down. I
don't use my Tanfoglio in SSP due to it's weight but for ESP it goes Cocked and Locked.
Take Care Bob
Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com
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