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Oct 11 12 3:38 PM
“4.4% of the shooters getting DQ'ed is excessive. Maybe someone should rethink stage design next time around.”
“You would be wrong......I know of at lease one shooter that this was her 1st rodeo.....You made my point, "they" (our peers) should be able to control their muzzle. The question remains: why were their so many that didn't??? 4.4%...The numbers don't lie...there had to be a contributing factor to cause the very high number of DQs. Just saying.”
“No bitching....just making a simple observation. A 4.4% DQ rate is a large number.”
“Truly amazing....you blame 4.4% for of the shooters, an outrageous number of DQs, and are unwilling to consider other explanations. You must be right....about as right as the NFL replacement referees.BTW the high number of DQs at Carolina Cup just bolsters my position.”
“4.4% probably did pay attention, they certainly did not intentionally sweep themselves......Adrenaline, nervousness, competitiveness, etc. should always be taken into account when designing stages at any level. Every safety related DQ ("sweep" in this case) is a potential liability that did not happen.......Most safety related DQs, sweeps in this case, can be easily mitigated thru proper stage design......I'd be willing to wager that no lefties were DQed on move right...open door with weak hand. I could be wrong.”
“Setting up a major match for 350 people is a daunting task.......all we as members ask is that it is done properly. "The best SOs in the country" is certainly debatable....a 4.4% DQ rate is not. You backpatters can blame the shooters all you want....numbers don't lie. Rulebook knowledge with a bad attitude equals a sorry SO(s) along with gotcha stages equals a miserable match for those shooters that run afoul of said SO(s). For example more than just a few shooters ran over 700 seconds on 16 stages......It's demoralizing and just not right. Our sport will suffer for it. As I've stated many times in the past......good stages at any match, especially Nationals, should be those that MM can finish while at the same time are challenging to MAs. Nationals with Gotcha stages, SOs with bad attitudes, bad food, and a 4.4% DQ rate will ruin our best show.”
“It's not about me Ken. The facts speak for themselves. IDPA can and must do better.”
“The backpatters continue to sing.......and off key. Sounds like y'all have the agenda. Jane....General statements turned specific are seen for what they are. Either way...Blaming shooters for a 4.4% DQ rate is unacceptable. Fix stage design, get SOs w/o attitudes, take responsibility when something isn't right.”
“OK....I get it....no dissent is ever allowed. (I'm sure this will soon be qualified) Now you spread your wrath. No one has answered the question...is a 4.4% DQ rate acceptable? I'm done.”
“Not done.....There is no rant just unanswered questions followed by a lot of defensive posturing above. I certainly did not mean to denigrate all SO performances....just a few. Nor was there intent to slam the match as a whole. The reality is that someone should have paid more attention to potential safety issues i.e muzzle related DQs. Percentages are what they are......They show (trite phrase to follow) the good, bad, and ugly. As stated before......It would seem that we as MDs, SOs, and IDPA leaders would want to create stages that lessen the potential for muzzle related and other DQs. As I stated earlier...every DQ for a safety violation is a potential liability issue. We should design stages that eliminate potential muzzle related DQs period. If a 180 is imposed on a specific bay make sure the stage is designed to keep the muzzle more or less downrange and eliminate as much lateral movement as possible. If a shooter must open a door have them address it straight on. Eliminate opening doors, whether L or R, in a hall and have ports or windows instead. Eliminate the potential to turn uprange by making movement to the next shooting position a forward angle. Always keep the left-handed shooter in mind while designing stages. Simply try to DQ proof stages as much as possible. This is what we do at TX State on every stage every time we host it. The best match an MD could hope for would be one that's DQ free......This is a game we are playing...people spend a lot of money to participate....make it fun.”Wow, for someone who wasn't there, you have a lot of opinions about what was wrong (if anything) and why. Let me requote the part I agree with. "I could be wrong." Now let me balance that with what is clearly an inaccurate statement. "It's not about me Ken."Unfortunately, I didn't get to shoot the whole match. I had previous commitments that took priority.I do know how the match was set and that two stages were turned within the bays to eliminate potential problems. The difficulty is that you can't out smart some folks. You would think it would be pretty logical to not point a gun at yourself. If you can't figure that out, maybe the shooting sports aren't for you. Bullseye perhaps.I have never been to a perfect match, and I have been to a few. I have never been to one as bad as the one you didn't attend and are attempting to characterize. I sense in your tirade that you were offended at not being selected to work the match. That is about you and that is your problem. I suspect that if you displayed more judgement and tact, your chances of being selected would improve.That match wasn't about me and it wasn't about you. Why would anyone care how you feel about it?Oh, Frank is left handed.PS-It was 4.36%. Never overstate your case.The 3-gun match I shot that weekend was 5.98%. 18 of 301
“We lost one of our squad mates on stage 10, the lying in a swing stage. The DQ was for a muzzle call. The problem I had with the DQ was that there was a muzzle safe point to the right but there was no muzzle safe point marked to the left. He was called for going too far to the left. I encouraged the shooter to fight the DQ since there was no mark to the left to violate. After I pointed out that there was to muzzle safe point to the left they put one up but that didn't do anything for our squad mate. He was too depressed to argue it after getting DQ'ed on his second stage of the match. Most people assume that muzzle safe points give you more room than the 180 rule but at "The Range" it usually means a more narrow field than the 180. I would like to see IDPA adopt a 180 rule on all stages unless muzzle safe points have been established and marked. This way we can be safe and still have the fredom for exceptions when a stage design needs a wider or more narrow field of fire.”This gets back to not being able to out smart some folks. The swing was angled into the corner of the bay specifically to avoid a right hander coming too far left when they reloaded. The fact is, if your gun sights are pointed in the direction of your foot while reloading, a muzzle safe flag isn't going to do you any good. Actually, the muzzle safe points at The Range are placed appropriate to the situation. One that is less than the 180 would be extremely rare. I can't ever think of one, unless the shooter put themselves in a position to have less than 180.What I can't figure out is how such a no talent bum like Frank Glover ever ended up running the three biggest IDPA matches in the world in one year. Hmmmm.Harry
Sorry Gerg. I hope this helps.
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