In #1 it would be 8 down + FTN. 8 x .5 = 4 plus another 5 seconds for the FTN for a total of 8 seconds.

In #2 it would be 10 points and an FTN so a total of 10 seconds.

The FTN in both cases is because there is not at least on shot in the -1 or better scoring area and a FTN is 5 seconds.