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Dec 15 10 1:55 PM
MattInFla wrote: tocohillsguy wrote: Harrisw1 wrote: I was so'ing a guy this past summer who was manually decocking his CZ. We had to DQ him for accidentally discharging the pistol while manually decocking the firearm. The guy wasn't an new shooter, but had an accident. I've heard this a number of times. Discharge while decocking equals automatic DQ, but when I look in the rule book it says no such thing. Immediate disqualification results from "unsafe gun handling". Examples include "A premature shot: in the holster; striking behind (up range of) the firing line; into the ground downrange closer to the firing line than two yards; or over a berm." Assuming the decocking discharge occurred while the muzzle was pointing downrange, and the gun discharged into the berm, an argument can be made that the contestant exercised proper and safe gun handling techniques. At a minimum it seems to me that it's up to the observing SO to exercise the discretion as to whether the technique being utilized evidenced unsafe gun handling. For example, a hot dog contestant who is much too quick or cavalier with his technique might warrant a DQ, but someone moving carefully and using a sound decocking technique, but the hammer slips from his fingers might not warrant such a severe consequence. Consider, would you immediately DQ someone if the gun discharged into the berm because of a failed decocker mechanism, or would you allow the contestant to withdraw the pistol and substitute another? Eric As they say in the law, res ipsa loquitur. Safe gun handling and an unintended discharge of the firearm are mutually exclusive, regardless of there the round ends up. It's not a mandatory DQ, provided the round hits the berm, but IMHO a DQ for it would not be at all unreasonable, either. I have no problem with that conclusion, as long as everyone understands that the SO or MD is exercising their discretion to call it unsafe gun handling. It isn't mandatory (provided the round hits the berm). I would also add that in my very limited IDPA experience I would anticipate a DQ, because every SO I've spoken with considers the very act of manually decocking to be unsafe gun handling; they only grudgingly allow it, and I suspect would be more than pleased to have an opportunity to DQ a shooter and be able to say "I told you so".I do disagree that every unintended discharge evidences unsafe gun handling. For example, if you used a mechanical decocker and the gun went "bang" (as was the case with some recent Walthers that were recalled), I would say you did nothing wrong provided you had the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Eric
tocohillsguy wrote: Harrisw1 wrote: I was so'ing a guy this past summer who was manually decocking his CZ. We had to DQ him for accidentally discharging the pistol while manually decocking the firearm. The guy wasn't an new shooter, but had an accident. I've heard this a number of times. Discharge while decocking equals automatic DQ, but when I look in the rule book it says no such thing. Immediate disqualification results from "unsafe gun handling". Examples include "A premature shot: in the holster; striking behind (up range of) the firing line; into the ground downrange closer to the firing line than two yards; or over a berm." Assuming the decocking discharge occurred while the muzzle was pointing downrange, and the gun discharged into the berm, an argument can be made that the contestant exercised proper and safe gun handling techniques. At a minimum it seems to me that it's up to the observing SO to exercise the discretion as to whether the technique being utilized evidenced unsafe gun handling. For example, a hot dog contestant who is much too quick or cavalier with his technique might warrant a DQ, but someone moving carefully and using a sound decocking technique, but the hammer slips from his fingers might not warrant such a severe consequence. Consider, would you immediately DQ someone if the gun discharged into the berm because of a failed decocker mechanism, or would you allow the contestant to withdraw the pistol and substitute another? Eric As they say in the law, res ipsa loquitur. Safe gun handling and an unintended discharge of the firearm are mutually exclusive, regardless of there the round ends up.
Harrisw1 wrote: I was so'ing a guy this past summer who was manually decocking his CZ. We had to DQ him for accidentally discharging the pistol while manually decocking the firearm. The guy wasn't an new shooter, but had an accident. I've heard this a number of times. Discharge while decocking equals automatic DQ, but when I look in the rule book it says no such thing. Immediate disqualification results from "unsafe gun handling". Examples include "A premature shot: in the holster; striking behind (up range of) the firing line; into the ground downrange closer to the firing line than two yards; or over a berm." Assuming the decocking discharge occurred while the muzzle was pointing downrange, and the gun discharged into the berm, an argument can be made that the contestant exercised proper and safe gun handling techniques. At a minimum it seems to me that it's up to the observing SO to exercise the discretion as to whether the technique being utilized evidenced unsafe gun handling. For example, a hot dog contestant who is much too quick or cavalier with his technique might warrant a DQ, but someone moving carefully and using a sound decocking technique, but the hammer slips from his fingers might not warrant such a severe consequence. Consider, would you immediately DQ someone if the gun discharged into the berm because of a failed decocker mechanism, or would you allow the contestant to withdraw the pistol and substitute another? Eric
It's not a mandatory DQ, provided the round hits the berm, but IMHO a DQ for it would not be at all unreasonable, either.
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