very new to idpa. i'm shooting a 92fs which I find to be very comfortable and accurate. I've only shot two matches so i'm working on my speed and
confidence. Have not seen another Beretta yet.
Dave A36112
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Why don't I see certain guns at matches
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Posts: 2 (05/26/09 21:49:28) |
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Posts: 105 (05/26/09 22:17:42) |
shadow wrote:Dave, don't let the lack of similar guns be a block. Last match I went to I say a guy dominate almost all of the SSP field with a Beretta PX-4 Jose Rossy
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Posts: 3 (05/27/09 05:37:39) |
Thanks Jose, maybe someday they'll be chasing me and the 92
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Posts: 122 (06/04/09 22:40:15) |
I saw 2 beretta 90 series guns at the Texas Multi Club match last weekend
Plus I am thinking about taking a run at SSP with a few different crunchentickers, Taurus PT92, Sig 226, and a new STI GP6. See hoiw they stack up against the normal SSP guns.
Wayne Ritchie
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Posts: 346 (06/05/09 05:48:30) |
Do you usually shoot with "normal SSP guns" ?
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Gunrunner |
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Posts: 123 (06/06/09 00:22:28) |
Rob , my former SSP shooting has been done with a Glock 34 and have done quite well with it but I kinda want more of a challenge.
I have spent the last almost 4 years shooting revolvers and probably will through Nationals this year. I want to try something different when I go back to autos.
Wayne Ritchie
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Posts: 7 (07/01/09 22:14:04) |
Wayne,
what's a " crunchenticker ", and what is a normal ssp gun ? Dave A36112 |
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Posts: 139 (07/03/09 19:47:07) |
DA/SA Dave, "normal" is safe action, DAO etc.
Matt McArthur
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Posts: 281 (07/03/09 21:48:54) |
"I consider this grossly unsafe and would not allow it on my range. Have a spare empty to show clear with or shoot something else."
Jim I respect you and your posts but if you can give us just one example of why ths procedure is unsafe I'll buy in. Frankly, I don't believe you can. Once the slide is down, and that occurs BEFORE the mag is inserted. Then just who does the gun become "unsafe" or the procedure become "unsafe" when you insert a loaded mag into the gun. The gun is not capable of loading a round in the chamber by itself once the slide is down. You can pull the trigger on an empty chamber until hell freezes over and it won't go bang. Once the hammer is dropped the loaded mag is withdrawn. Where pray tell is the safety issue? Take Care Bob
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Posts: 8 (07/04/09 07:46:47) |
Matt,
Thanks for the quick response and info. I'm sure you'll see many more questions from me. I have alot of catching up to do. Dave A36112 |
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Posts: 834 (07/05/09 14:55:00) |
Bob,
I don't think I'd let a shooter use a partial mag to "hammer down" a gun either. Like you said, the slide can't magically cycle itself to chamber a round. But we're trying to unload the gun, so sticking ammo back in the gun seems to run upstream of this goal. The problem arises when something goes wrong with the procedure (as it will eventually). The partial mag isn't with removed after hammer down, then the shooter monkeys with his gun in the safe area, etc. <<Insert your own scenario here.>> Maybe using a partial mag to drop the hammer shouldn't bother me. Koski |
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Posts: 282 (07/05/09 16:23:23) |
Steve I think you are offering up a strawman argument. The gun has the slide down, You insert the mag, pull the trigger, remove the mag and holster your gun.
The SO or RO declares the range safe. Happens every weekend at IPSC & IDPA shoots. If a shooter has a mag in in gun at a cold range he gets DQ'd.
Some ranges run hot. Those that do don't seem to have a concern with guys walking around with a loaded gun. In either case unless you are under the
supervision of an SO in our game you can't handle your gun unless you are in the safe area.
Take Care Bob
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Posts: 835 (07/05/09 20:58:07) |
Yeah, it is a strawman argument. I can see that. I can also see that it would be better to insert an empty mag, even if only slightly better.
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Posts: 3149 (07/05/09 21:38:44) |
$hit happens. If it didn't then we as a sport wouldn't have people shoot the berm a few times a year on the unload and show clear command.
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Posts: 837 (07/06/09 00:00:52) |
That's the way I see it. If you use an empty mag, it is a little less likely to produce a "bang" when one isn't wanted.
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Posts: 283 (07/06/09 08:39:57) |
Steve then you must subscribe to the idea the gun is capable of loading itself. With respect, Sir, that is illogocal. If there is a round in the chamber the
gun will go bang no matter whether you insert an empty mag in the gun or a loaded mag. With either mag option if the chamber is empty the gun won't go
bang.
I have to add I fall to the group who believe the onus should be on the SO to ensure the gun is empty. Our range commands differ from those used in IPSC. In IPSC the command is "If clear hammer down and holster" which suggests the onus is on the shooter. In IDPA the command comes directly from the SO after he has checked the chamber ie "Hammer down" followed by "holster". A subtle but distinct difference. Take Care Bob
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Posts: 838 (07/06/09 12:35:21) |
Bob,
No, I subscribe to the idea that people are fallible, both SO's and shooters. Koski |
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Posts: 284 (07/06/09 13:08:44) |
On that I agree fully. It would a lot easier if we would allow the removal of mag safeties from guns that come from the factory without them as an option.
IPSC allows the removal of the M&P mag safety because S&W makes the guns without the mag safety. The removal of same does not enhance or distract
from the trigger system and leave it to the shooter to decide whether he/she feels the mag safety is something they want to have installed in their guns. I
would argue that aside from LEOs who may see this as a safety device they want in their guns there really isn't much use for it in civilian applocations.
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Posts: 839 (07/06/09 13:58:17) |
I too would like IDPA to allow mag safeties to be removed/disabled. I hate those things. But I don't write the rules, and a "don't disable
safeties" rule is pretty clear, and makes some sense too. If you allow a safety to be disabled, some moron might later try something stupid assuming the
safety is working.
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Posts: 378 (07/06/09 14:02:23) |
Refer to them as magazine disconnects, and its no longer a safety, and can be removed
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