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predatohunter22		#21	[-]
Posts: 1 (06/07/09 23:56:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I was talking to a fellow at our local IDPA practice match and looking at has M&P I notice the grip was different then mine, asked to see it and man it felt great, so I got to talking with this gentleman and told me he did it him self with a soldering iron, by flatting the tip, and burning it a little. So I decided to give it a try, If I messed it up I would just call S&W and order a new one, it turned out great and really gives it a good feel. Starting out stock grip First couple lines of the new grip One side completed And finished piece Close up Cheap 110v soldering iron and about an hour of time. See how she feels tomorrow at the match, I dont think I will be disappointed -PH22 Last Edited By: predatohunter22 06/08/09 10:05:11. Edited 1 times.
Dragoon		#22	[-]
Posts: 169 (06/08/09 16:20:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Doesn't that take you out of SSP? Massimo
RobMoore		#23	[-]
Posts: 350 (06/08/09 16:36:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	How is that different than buying a replacement grip panel from a vendor that is made with a more aggressive grip? Its a removable grip panel. If he did that to a glock, then it would be a permanent exterior modification.
robertbank.czechpistols82792		#24	[-]
Posts: 250 (06/08/09 20:38:05) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yup it sure does.Excluded modifications #8 Checkering and Stippling. Welcome to ESP. Take Care Bob Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com
predatohunter22		#25	[-]
Posts: 2 (06/08/09 21:48:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Shot SSP today with the M&P and no issues, even asked the guy putting it on the shoot if its ok, no problems. I ask the guy that showed it to me and he has had no problem shooting ssp at matches since he done it a couple years ago. Oh well, guess Ill have to spend $5 and buy a extra strap just in case . PH22
RobMoore		#26	[-]
Posts: 352 (06/09/09 05:43:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Try allowable modifications in SSP #2 "2. Grips may be changed to another style or material that is similar to factory configuration (no weighted grips; see "weighted grips" in glossary for further details)." Those grips are similar to factory configuration. The wording doesn't say exact. I can buy Brand-X replacement M&P backstraps that have the exact same thing done to them. I don't see how doing it yourself is any different.
robertbank.czechpistols82792		#27	[-]
Posts: 252 (06/09/09 09:42:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Rob or quote under Excluded Modifications "8. Checkering or Stippling". Seems Clear enough. All that said I don't know why S&W did what they did to the grips. Mine is slippery as heck in my hands and a friend has tried to put grip tape on them with no success using just the tape. Neither of us want to glue the tape on. Take Care Bob Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com Last Edited By: robertbank 06/09/09 09:45:47. Edited 1 times.
robertbank.czechpistols82792		#28	[-]
Posts: 253 (06/09/09 14:14:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Here is what Robert Ray said in a reply to my question regarding aftermarket sharkskin grips. I have asked him to rule on work completed by the shooter. Note in his reply the front strap cannot get the same treatment and I think on the above gun the front strap has had the same treatment. If it has then the gun goes to ESP. "Ok, the problem with SSP is this. We have always said that after market grips were ok as long as they were not weighted. With the interchangeable back straps like Walther, S&W M&P and H&K guns it is not really any different than changing out a set of factory Sig grips for another more aggressive set. It's not a permanent modification. Unfortunately I really see no other option at this time than to say that the non-permanent treatment would be legal. The removable back strap would be ok but not the work done elsewhere such as the front strap, trigger or trigger guard." Thank you, Robert Ray International Defensive Pistol Association Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com
Gregg Kratochvil		#29	[-]
Posts: 350 (06/09/09 14:37:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	robertbank wrote: I think on the above gun the front strap has had the same treatment. If it has then the gun goes to ESP. I had a hard time telling also so I brightened up the picture to get a better look. From Roberts words I would have to say that this gun can still compete in SSP so long as the frame of the gun doesn't get the same treatment.
robertbank.czechpistols82792		#30	[-]
Posts: 254 (06/09/09 15:27:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ok, I just got off the phone with Robert Ray and he has confirmed the shooter can do this work as well on his gun as long as it is limited to the removable backstrap. You cannot stipple the front strap or any other part of the gun other than the removable back strap . This ruling also applies to any of the polymer guns with removable backstraps. From the picture above the gun would be legal in SSP. Take Care Bob Bonenfant AC - Canada Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com
RobMoore		#31	[-]
Posts: 353 (06/09/09 16:50:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	thanks for the update.
predatohunter22		#32	[-]
Posts: 3 (06/09/09 20:53:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thanks for the Clarifacation PH22
Steve Koski		#33	[-]
Posts: 796 (06/10/09 16:11:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sweet! Looks nice. Koski
Jim Watson		#34	[-]
Posts: 563 (06/10/09 17:28:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	"Unfortunately* I really see no other option at this time than to say that the non-permanent treatment would be legal."* Hmm, wonder why he considers it unfortunate?
robertbank.czechpistols82792		#35	[-]
Posts: 256 (06/10/09 17:41:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Robert indicated to me the replaceable back strap also includes a portion of the palm swell as well. Because the backstrap is replaceable IDPA really had no choice but t o allow stippling on the entire replaceable part including a portion that with most guns would include the grips. This ruling only applies to those polymer guns with replaceable backstraps and does not include those that don't offer this feature, hence the use of the word "unfortunately" Take Care Bob Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com
Jim Watson		#36	[-]
Posts: 564 (06/10/09 19:27:18) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Gee, I guess the H&K P30 is really "unfortunate", then. It not only has replaceable backstraps, it has interchangeable side panels almost like the grips on a steel gun. Lots of removable and replaceable pieces to muck about with. I don't see the angst. My 1911s have interchangeable mainspring housings, grip safeties, and grips with many options for adjusting the fit without changing the underlying structure of the gun. Much ado about nothing.
RobMoore		#37	[-]
Posts: 355 (06/10/09 20:57:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bob, I get a totally different read from that paragraph, and meaning of the word "unfortunately". I get the impression Robert would like for these grips to be illegal, but because of prior precedence, it only makes sense to allow them.
robertbank.czechpistols82792		#38	[-]
Posts: 257 (06/11/09 01:45:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	RobMoore wrote: Bob, I get a totally different read from that paragraph, and meaning of the word "unfortunately". I get the impression Robert would like for these grips to be illegal, but because of prior precedence, it only makes sense to allow them. Fair enough. I can see where connotations would be different. Never the less we are where we are. I wish SSP division was for stock guns and if it doesn't come from the factory it doesn't get in. That way the manufactureres would bear the brunt of producing pistols that don't require fiddling and not leave it to us to correct what they should have provided in the first place. Whatever S&W was trying to do with the design of the pattern on the M&P otherwise excellent grip it wasn't to provide a good purchase on the grip. The panels would be better if there was no pattern on them at all IMHO. Take Care Bob Your Signature ... http://www.idpacanada.com

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