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gunnysgt68 |
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I don't want to beat a subject to death but since I'm new here is a Serpa Level 2 (push botton) holster allowed for IDPA shooting? Thanks Gunny
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Jose Rossy |
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If you are talking about its retention features, yes, they are legal.
As for the rest of the holster, you'll have to check the rulebook. Jose Rossy
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eljay45 |
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Legal but I've seen plenty of people screw up the draw using them. Plus I don't like where they put your finger during the draw. I'd recommend
something else.
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RePete |
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I suggest that you go with the CQB Like I did.
A friend gave himself a SUPER WEDGIE when he failed to release the lock. Also, if you plan on taking tactical classes, forget the Serpa. A good number of the schools have banned the Serpa for those very reasons.
Stercus Accidit -Sh*t happens (Latin)
Proud member of the WTFDTSG club Nice try means you suck spelled different |
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LJH |
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I would advise finding something else as well. The first one I saw at our local match did not turn out well. The postiion of the release put his finger in
line with the trigger, the gun went off while it was coming out of the holster. Missed his foot by 2" and slit his pants along the seam. Never touched
any skin. That was the end of the holster...... We don't allow them at the range anymore.
Larry |
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SL1 |
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I just don't get this thing about finger position with the Serpa. When I draw from mine, pusing the button and pulling the gun from the holster puts my
finger on the frame right where it should be. Then I need to move it into the trigger guard as I come on-target, just like drawing from any other holster where
I consiously put my finger on the frame.
And, it takes no effort to "push" the release button. I tend to push it as much as needed naturally when I draw, without thinking about it. I can see that pushing it too late in the draw will lock the gun in the holster and could lead someone to try to grip and pull hard. But, practice seems to solve that. I did not buy my Serpa because it seemed best for IDPA. I bought it because it seemed best for my intended carry situation. I want to use it in IDPA because that gives me the practice that I want to achieve. I would hate to have to buy something that (for me) would be a "competition only" holster to use in IDPA, since that costs me more money and seems to defeat both my practice goal and the intent of the sport. I did try a Fobus, first. I concluded that getting the retention that I wanted was going to give me a "super-wedgie" on every draw. THAT is why I went to the Serpa. No effort to draw at all UNLESS you don't push the button on-time. But, it is DESIGNED so that pushing that button is very natural. My only problem with it is that it lets the butt of the handle stick out farther than I like from my particular body shape. Steve L. |
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RePete |
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FWIW
With Fobus holsters, you have to snatch the gun from it, there is no such thing as a smooth draw with them. Once you have learned that, the rest is easy.
Stercus Accidit -Sh*t happens (Latin)
Proud member of the WTFDTSG club Nice try means you suck spelled different |
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Jim Watson |
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Practice with one's chosen equipment is good.
I saw a cop shooting out of his off-duty SERPA once, apparently with little previous practice. Took him about three stages to get right with the button. |
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Hot Brass |
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I recently saw a guy glue a rubber "button" about 3/8" dia by 1/4" tall to the Serpa release button. I guess this is to make finding the
button easier. My first thought was about illegal equipment, but as I watched him draw, I quickly surmised that the button on the button did not help. He still
got a wedgie about half the time trying to get the gun out of the holster.
-Capel
www.gadpa.com |
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SL1 |
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I'm still not getting this problem with "pushing the button." I just draw normally with my trigger finger lying straight along the holster
surface, just like it would on a leather holster. Just slight pressue on the release "button" as I slide my finger up the holster effortlessly
releases the gun. I don't hook my finger at all until the gun is coming on-target and I am putting my finger on the trigger. The "button" on my
holster is flush with the rest of the surface and elongated in alignment with my finger so that my finger naturally drags across it as I draw. It seems like a
good design for me.
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Hot Brass |
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Steve,
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Serpa holster. My observation is that not everyone can operate it as smoothly as you describe.
-Capel
www.gadpa.com |
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jamie blow |
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I bought the Serpa Holster when I bought my 1911 back in 07'. Thought It looked like a good deal for a holster, especially the bonus pack with the paddle
and belt slide backs. Also it was the only Left-Handed "non-Uncle Mikes" holster that was in the store that day.
Years ago, I spent many hundreds of dollars trying to find holsters I liked for my carry pistols, and competition guns. Some I kept others I tossed. I seemed to always be changing holsters to fit the purpose. I have used the Serpa for IDPA, steel plate and CCW since 07' and find it to be extremely fast and intuitive on the draw and have never found myself searching for the release, I have other holsters that use the "grab and jerk" type of passive retention and always end up with my pants 2 inches above my belly button. Always fun to see Match photos of myself clearing a stage, wearing my pants like my grandfather. LOL If you know someone who has one give it a try, If your in the market for a really great IDPA holster for under 50 bucks. The SERPA would get my vote everyday. Also: Blackhawk sells a shoulder harness for it, 3 phillips screws and you swap the paddle/slide for the shoulder harness platform, great for heavier clothes in the winter. This is how I carry a full size 1911 while Downhill Skiing, or on long car trips. JMHO
Jamie
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19852.czechpistols82792 |
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I have one, used it for 1 major match. Which was the last time I used it. It screwed up my timing for the draw, what with the push button and all. Also, it did
not fit my government model well, just to tight all the way around. Gathering dust someplace here at home.
Ted |
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Howard B |
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As with most things, different folks like different things. In the past I have used a Serpa for IDPA when I used it as a daily holster. It worked fine in both respects. If you have it and like it --practice with it (the more the better)--and it will work fine. PRACTICE seems to be the key. It is more important if the holster has retention features. Howard. |
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Mark Mayo |
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Serpas are pretty unreliable. I would suggest the Safariland ALS system as a better design for a OWB retention holster. But that's just me.
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Mark Mayo wrote: After using the Serpa for almost 2 years without an issue, I wonder what makes them "pretty unreliable" in your opinion. Not to start an argument, but, it is a holster, with one simple retention device, it is made out of glass reinforced polymer, it goes on a belt.......Have you had FTF's, FTE's, FTRB's, FTDR's, FTN's, HNT's, PE's due to this holster? Is there some part that is prone to failure that I should watch out for. I also shoot a Taurus 1911, so maybe I'm just doomed. Oh well.
Jamie
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03/30/09 11:33:43.
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CChristian |
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One of the good things about IDPA is that it allows equipment to be tested under some degree of stress (more stress for some than others). Equipment can be
evaluated by a number of people in that light. It seems to me that a significant percentage of the posters on this thread have seen "negative
occurances" with the Serpa. I also have some hands on with the Serpa. It seems to work for some people, and doesn't work for a lot of others. I think
that is something that would be factored when someone asked for a recommendation on a holster. As for me, I won't use one. BTDT. Blade-Tech makes nice
stuff, and it works for me.
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eljay45 |
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jamie blow wrote Obviously the holster won't cause any of those problems. There are however numerous reports of the retention device failing, which keeps the gun from being drawn. The Serpa requires practice, I've seen several shooters fumble the draw. In some cases shooters have shot them selves using the Serpa. If it works for you great, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Larry |
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tnroadrunner |
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There are some training outfits that do not allow Serpa holsters in their classes.
Bob
TFA, NRA, IDPA, USPSA, 3 GUN It's always a great day. If you don't believe me try missing one. |
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Steve Koski |
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Bob: Give us some examples.
Thx, Koski |
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Dragoon |
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IIRC, Tactical Response will not allow Serpa holsters......
Massimo |
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