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STI's Recoil Master, Legal or Illegal for CDP

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tohlmann	STI's Recoil Master, Legal or Illegal for CDP	Lead	[-]
Posts: 9 (06/29/08 17:30:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Is the STI Recoil Master legal for CDP. The Sentinel comes with it from the factory? Terry
Gregg Kratochvil		#1	[-]
Posts: 150 (06/29/08 17:56:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	According to a conversation that I had with Robert Ray at IDPA HQ, it is not legal. They consider the Recoil Master a competition only device.
Bubba		#2	[-]
Posts: 1323 (06/30/08 08:25:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	And if you ask STI, THEY will tell you it is not legal for IDPA too. I did just this at the SHOT show just to see what the answer would be. Bubba http://www.dbl-tap.com
kimberguy2004		#3	[-]
Posts: 17 (06/30/08 19:48:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	On their website, STI does not show the Ranger to be IDPA legal. I don't see how it would be because of the recoil master because the VIP has a recoil master and it IS IDPA legal.. Which I guess should bring up the next question, and that is... has anyone ever don't a conversion or modification that would make the Ranger IDPA legal? Futher investigation finds that the recently revived STI VIP with it's 3.9" bull barrel and Recoil Reducer is also advertised as being IDPA legal. that one is starting to look really good. I compared it to the Ranger, slide to slide, and although I'm sure there will be some measurable difference, I can't see enough different in the actual sight radius of the two guns to make a nickle's worth of difference.. I did the sight check using my Ranger II 9MM and the wife's Guardian .45 , but the slides will have the same dimension.. Go Figure ... More info... I called IDPA this morning to get the real scoop on the recoil master question, since the VIP comes with recoil master and it's advertised by STI as being IDPA legal. The lady I talked to said no, the RM is considered a competition device. That's interesting since a friend at STI told me the RM was originally intended for their standard lines of single and double stacks, and the gamers were so impressed with it, it made it's way to their race guns. I sent a message to Don in STI's competition department and received a reply to call him, so I'll keep you posted on what's said. It should be interesting. After going throught STI's catalog, I find it interesting that for a company who's bread and butter is building competition pistols, they only make one double stack that's legal for IDPA. Bob Iraq needs a Constitution. Lets give them ours. It was written by some pretty smart guys, and it's worked very well for over 200 years, andt if the Liberals win in November, we won't be using it any longer. Last Edited By: kimberguy2004 07/01/08 18:22:00. Edited 5 times.
sasu		#4	[-]
Posts: 2 (02/22/09 09:54:58) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Why would the STI Ranger II be illegal for IDPA? Or am I mixing Ranger and Ranger II? Photo from www.stiguns.com It has a bull barrel, but it is only 4.15" long and should be legal as a bull barrel. I will replace the RecoilMaster with a conventional spring and guide. Does something illegal still remain on the gun? sasu Last Edited By: sasu 02/22/09 11:46:49. Edited 1 times.
kimberguy2004		#5	[-]
Posts: 42 (02/22/09 15:40:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It's not legal. The slide length is 4.15", the barrel is a standard Commander length 4.25, and mine actually measure a little more. So if someone wanted to strip it down and measure it, you could be DQd. I had my barrel cut back and put in a FLGR and it's now legal.. According to IDPA, the recoil master is not IDPA legal in any class. I hope they will try to excercise a little common sense onthe next rulbook re-write, since is standard on some guns that STI sells for personal defense.. Iraq needs a Constitution. Lets give them ours. It was written by some pretty smart guys, and it's worked very well for 213 years, but as of Black Tuesday, we won't be using it any longer. Last Edited By: kimberguy2004 02/22/09 15:43:03. Edited 1 times.
sasu		#6	[-]
Posts: 8 (02/26/09 15:37:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I will get my STI Ranger II and Tactical 4.15 this Saturday. It will be interesting to measure the barrel on both them to see if they are above or below 4.2", which is the limit for bushingless bull barrels in IDPA and Single Stack. I will report the results of the measurements.
sasu		#7	[-]
Posts: 11 (03/01/09 05:49:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Now that I have my new STI Ranger II 45 ACP, I measured the barrel. The barrel is 4.25" with the hood, i.e. from muzzle to breech face. It is appr. 4.1" from muzzle to the rim of the chamber. The measurement that matters is the 4.25", so this bull barrel is not allowed in CDP. sasu Last Edited By: sasu 03/01/09 05:52:40. Edited 1 times.
GAs PoPo		#8	[-]
Posts: 7 (03/09/09 08:42:04) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I am not clear on the rules for recoilmasters and gun modifications. Im curious if changing the manufacturer's design by cutting the barrel off and changing recoil systems is affected by the rules which state something along the lines of production of at least 2000 units in the configuration. Also, since this modification is not the manufacturer's, and is done to make something for competition only (you said you made the mods to be IDPA legal-a competitive sport) how can this be a legal firearm?

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