Tac Journal: Match Scoring

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Hot Brass		#21	[-]
Posts: 383 (02/07/09 22:42:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thankfully, I've always been able to find the missing sheet. Once I had to run a shooter to her car and wait while she dug her yellow sheets out. We found the scoresheet the next day during breakdown. It was underneath the scoresheet tub, stuck to the bottom with a paster. Perry, I certainly understand your position on this and it is exactly why I asked if anyone had ever had this happen. If this ever happens to me, I'll probably give the shooter a DNF on the day of the match. Then I'll track him down and try to find the missing score. If it changes the result, I would contact those affected and explain the situation. I think most shooters would return their trophies so I could get them to the correct person, but if they didn't, I would just have a new trophy(s) made and send them to the correct person. I've been to a sanctioned match where shooters waited 2 hours for the results only to be told that the results would not be available until tomorrow. That was one pissed off crowd. Everyone who stuck around left with a bad taste in their mouth. -Capel www.gadpa.com
Mark Mayo		#22	[-]
Posts: 269 (02/09/09 18:22:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Capel and Jane have gone above and beyond with their quest to generate scores quickly and accurately. I know they both have spent endless hours creating software to score matches. To error is human and I've seen score sheets get lost, get soaked where they can't be read among outright lost. It sucks when it happens but it happens. While I expect to wait a reasonable amount of time for scores after a big match I've also given up after hours driven home tired and hungry. The last thing I'll do is blame the MD or those manning the Stats Shack. It's a huge undertaking to manage the volume of score sheets and double entry. I've done it and would rather have my eyes gouged out than do it again. It would be unfair and cruel to inconvenience the entire crowd of shooters over a lost score sheet. Amends can be made after the fact once that data has been retrieved. If no score sheet is ever retrieved either at the match or from the shooter you revert to the rulebook (see page 46) and score the stage. That's about as fair as you can get without giving the shooter an DNF for the entire match. mayonaise1959.blogspot.com
SixShooterPerry		#23	[-]
Posts: 101 (02/09/09 19:24:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	After talking to the illustrious W.T. Jones, OFFICIAL director of IDPA Match Scoring for NEPA (yes Jane, I know him well and have scored and shot many a match with him...thanks for checking!) we would give the shooter in question an incomplete (INC), not a DNF. Then the scores would be updated when the correct score could be found. I never said I would stop the awards. If the shooter was a SSP shooter there would be no reason not to give out the other division awards while trying to get the missing score sheet entered. Also, by checking the other stages the shooter has scores for you could easily determine if the missing score will impact the final results. If it would then the MD need to make a tough desision. Give out the awards knowing that they might be incorrect or wait to award that division/class. If the shooter was a MM you could still give out MA,EX and SS. Common sence and some due diligange should prevail. C 10. It shall be the responsibility of each shooter to keep account of his score along with the scorekeeper. IF there is an error in the scorekeeper's final tally, it shall be the responsibility of the shooter to protest the final results within one hour of the posting of the final scores. Failure to file a protest with the MD prior to the above time nullifies any claims made thereafter. All scoring/officiating protests must be made to the MD. The decision of the MD will be final as long as his decision is in accordance with the rules as set forth in the most current issue of the official rulebook. My iterpritation of this line is: If there is an INC showing there is no error because there is no score to error on! It also say "the posting of the final scores". How can the scores be final if score sheets are missing? Sorry if you have a thin skin Jane. First you questioned my credentials to post a reply. Let me tell you I could have filled a page with all the things I do for the different shooting sports, IDPA, USPSA, ICORE, Run and Gun, PA Steel League, you name it, I shoot it and most likely SO/RO it, show up early to help set it up, stay late to help tear it down, help new shooters to understand it and on and on. I just posted the short list! Then you call me shallow because I drive 200 miles to get a score! Yep, I want to see a score when I go to any match, not just a "Championship" match. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the.................Ooooops, guess I shouldn't say that! Perry IDPA - A13530 USPSA - L3009
Bubba		#24	[-]
Posts: 1444 (02/09/09 19:29:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You know... I looked at the floor plan layout for the 2008 Nationals. I did step in there a couple of times. Yet in that floor plan......... I don't see the diagram for the nap time quilt. Notice I never came back in after I was warned I would have to get Travis back to sleep if I woke him up. Great work Jane. Funny how after you get to know someone in person, you can so see their personality in their writing from then on. I could almost see your facial expressions in several of your points. Just dropping a little humor into the tension. Man, is it just me? Or have we seemed to move into a ton of whining and complaining on all kinds of topics lately? Why do I keep volunteering to work these matches month after month? Year after year? For the first time in 11 years.... I have skipped matches.... because I didn't want to deal with the petty whining over rules. Time will tell if this trend continues. Bubba http://www.dbl-tap.com Last Edited By: Bubba 02/09/09 19:38:46. Edited 2 times.
Steve Koski		#25	[-]
Posts: 476 (02/09/09 19:52:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Going Off Topic with Bubba: Whining contributes to burnout. Sometimes a single or couple of bad events can radically increase the burnout of a serious contributor. Sometimes not. Depends on the person. An IDPA AC once told me that he met a lot of nice folks in his position, but he also met EVERY SINGLE a-hole that shoots IDPA. That cracked me up. Thank goodness there are lots of nice folks around to help you forget about the dingbats. Funny thing, at the same match where I met the AC, we had a bunch of nice SO's, but also had one feller who was absolutely intent on lecturing everyone present on every possible way to shoot, game, and score every stage. This was pretty interesting for the first 10 seconds, but this guy wanted to do it for 3.5 solid days. I kept thinking of the AC's comment and cracking up. Kept me sane for 3.5 days! Koski
HiPowering Along		#26	[-]
Posts: 363 (02/09/09 21:38:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bubba wrote: Just dropping a little humor into the tension. Man, is it just me? Or have we seemed to move into a ton of whining and complaining on all kinds of topics lately? Nope - seeing the same thing here. I think everyone has one h3llacious dose of cabin fever... Someone start another silly zzzzzzzzz-z--z---zzzzzzzzzz thread, will ya? --Cindy "You know, some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...." "Happiness is a warm, smoking barrel..."
Hot Brass		#27	[-]
Posts: 389 (02/10/09 16:16:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Since I hijacked the thread, I'll apologize. My intent was not to start a spitting contest. I really wanted to know if anyone had ever run into the missing scoresheet problem and how they handled it. Since it has almost happened to me 5 times, I figured my luck would run out one day. -Capel www.gadpa.com
MelissasMyName		#28	[-]
Posts: 99 (02/10/09 18:25:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	We had a missing scoresheet one time. The shooter was out of state, he had already left. We called and left a message for him to call us back. We explained the situation and he was happy to read us his copy of the scoresheet. Luckily this occurred the first day of a 2-day match. We ended up locating the missing scoresheet - it had simply been filed wrong. -melissa
dennissherman	Kudos Jane	#29	[-]
Posts: 39 (02/14/09 10:14:17) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Just read the article by Jane in the Tactical Journal and it was very good. You really covered all the bases. On and off over the last 20 years I have worked on design and setup of computer networks in assistance to my Wife. All the possible problems you mention are so real, no matter how perfect the setup. But again, really great writting. I also read another article called Random Shots that I could also relate to. The author was right on point and could not have put it in a better way. Most of my "Major" match experience with IDPA is from 99-04. I don't recall all that many negative SO's, maybe a few. The Tactical Journal is a pretty good read. Dennis Last Edited By: dennissherman 02/14/09 10:16:28. Edited 1 times.
AggieMM		#30	[-]
Posts: 47 (02/18/09 17:53:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Ok, dumb question. Which issue of the Tac Journal was this article printed? Last issue I have is Volume 12 - Issue 4 (Fourth Q 2008). Has issue 1 of 2009 been released? Hmmmmm, wonder why I don't have it, guess I need to check with HQ......... Ryan
Steve J		#31	[-]
Posts: 127 (02/18/09 19:02:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	First Quarter 2009 issue. I've had mine for some time now, Ryan. Regionally, I would think yours would have been delivered by now too. Steve J A17557

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