| Author | Comment | ||
|---|---|---|---|
Chuck |
New Rule Book |
Lead | |
|
The current Rule Book was published in 2005. Does anyone forsee an updated version anytime soon, and if so, what changes are expected?
Chuck
|
|||
Steve Koski |
|||
|
No hints of a new rule book, and no clue on expected changes. However, here are my top 3 preferences for changes:
1) A simplification to the dropped partial magazine rules. 2) A reclassification of the XD and other striker fired pistols to be allowed in the same division (s). 3) Allow any cartridge that can safely make 165 pf into CDP. Drop the "45 ACP ONLY" club status. Steve Koski |
|||
Steve J |
|||
Steve Koski wrote:That's a very slippery slope. I do agree with your other two points. Glocks, XDs, M&P and other similar striker fired pistols should be in the same divison.
Steve J
A17557 |
|||
Jim Watson |
|||
|
In general, as I have said before, allow more customizing of CUSTOM Defensive Pistols and more enhancement of ENHANCED Service Pistols.
Drop the drivel about full length dust covers and especially the confusing mish-mash about what is OK in a SSP being OK in ESP if it is OK in SSP but not in ESP. Phooey. On the other hand, hold STOCK Service Pistols closer to stock. A Glock with 2 lb trigger pull and Race Cut Heinies is NOT stock in my mind. An unaltered XD is as stock as a Plastic M&P, they just did not do as good a job of selling their tricky trigger, neither of which works like a Glock's. |
|||
kimberguy2004 |
|||
|
I'd like to see a change that would allow STI's Recoil Master to be used since it does come from the factory in weapons that are obviously intended to
be used for CCW/PD..
Bob
Iraq needs a Constitution. Lets give them ours. It was written by some pretty smart guys, and it's worked very well for 213 years, but as of Black Tuesday,
we won't be using it any longer.
|
|||
Chuck |
|||
Steve Koski wrote:I concur with the first two but I would much rather see CDP restricted to single stack 45 acp 1911s only. Keep the double stack and/or plastic guns in ESP or SSP. Whos ear do we chew on to recommend some of these changes? I didn't see a list of the IDPA Board of Directors listed anywhere on the website. Chuck
|
|||
Robert Carr |
|||
|
Your A/C would be a good place to start with suggestions. If he is non-responsive, then Robert Ray at HQ would be the right person to contact.
Robert Carr
Fat People Are Hard to Kidnap |
|||
Jane |
|||
|
"If you build it, they will come..... "
Here's a place you can suggest IDPA rule changes... although I'm pretty sure IDPA isn't
monitoring it...
Jane - Expert on nothing with opinions on everything...
|
|||
Steve J |
|||
Chuck wrote:Amen to that. There's no room for plastic production guns in a CUSTOM defensive pistol division. Yes. I am an unrepentant snob.
Steve J
A17557 |
|||
Gregg Kratochvil |
|||
Steve J wrote:I remember someone saying that the only plastic that should come between a shooter and his gun is a credit card. You can add me to the make it 1911 only snob club. |
|||
sam1colt |
|||
|
PRO Master Division
Ryan |
|||
ChrisC |
|||
|
Seems kinda unfair to me, and sort of a shame, to tell a shooter who owns a .45 ACP M&P, XD, Glock, Taurus 845, or Ruger, that they can't shoot it in the only division that requires a .45 ACP because the "snobs" have decided that if you don't shoot the gun they favor (and that they can afford) you shouldn't be allowed to compete. I thought IDPA was supposed to be a practical... defensive-oriented... shooting sport that wasn't going to degenerate into an equipment race. The "plastic" .45s are practical, and very affordable. If you want to create a gun division for those custom .45 1911s, why not do that and just call it "The $2,000+ Division"? Wouldn't even need a Classification card to shoot in it - just a sales receipt. Chris Christian A23489 |
|||
freeidaho |
|||
|
Y'all should know that the more nasty your posts are, the less they get listened to. No need for words like "drivel" and "snobs", and
denigration of IDPA HQ or their ideas. If you have a compelling argument for a change, please make it politely. It clearly will be more persuasive.
ChrisC you should know that the G21 competes quite nicely in CDP, as does the other plastic and non-plastic 45s. Hence I have no idea what you are talking about above. Can you elucidate please? Ken Reed
+-+ E-Mail: freeidaho at yahoo dot com ...............................There is a $5 fine for whining. (Chris Ledoux "5 dollar
fine")
|--\ .................................................................................................You are what you do, everything else is just talk. |---| Personal web site to display ideas:................................Gaming is an admission that you can't win on a level playing field. /----\ <http://www.parmarng.org/freeidaho/default.html> |*----/\ |-------| My rifle, pistol, shotgun, and IDPA club: +------+ <http://www.parmarng.org> |
|||
ChrisC |
|||
|
Ken,
I'll be happy to elucidate. I'm aware that plastic guns do very well in CDP. I'm CDP EX with a M&P. My comment about "snobs" was in response to several previous posts (one of whom identified himself as a "snob", and another who said he would cheerfully join that group... see above posts). I didn't initiate the use of that word -- merely responded to the individual who had cheerfully identified himself as such. My point is this: If CDP is restricted to only those pistols chambered for the .45 ACP, then all guns so chambered and otherwise meeting the equipment requirements, should be allowed to compete. Those who advocate a rule change restricting CDP competitors to only those using single stack 1911 .45 ACP guns (see above posts) are not in keeping with the practical nature of IDPA, nor the Spirit. If they want their own single stack division, fine. Let them have it. But, don't change the rules in an existing division and suddenly make a number of currently legal guns illegal. One of the fun things about IDPA is that you can shoot a lot of different guns, in different divisions, and some of us do. I'm opposed to changes in the rules that prevent that. Chris Christian A23489 EX - SSR, SSP, ESP, CDP (don't shoot ESR. If I did I'd be EX there, too.) |
|||
Gregg Kratochvil |
|||
|
OK, let's lighten up a little. When a sentence is followed by laughing and smiling emoticons it is a signal to the reader that something was said in fun or
jest. No belittlement of what ever flavor or brand of gun that is your favorite was intended. Some things don't get relayed very well through the keyboard,
or I just stink at letting folks know that I'm funning with them.
|
|||
ChrisC |
|||
|
Gregg,
Point noted and understood. I don't pay any attention to the little 'thingy faces'. My bad. I make my living as a writer and the mags I write for don't let us use them, so I tend to focus on the written word and ignore the various smiley faces that pop up on the Net. I couldn't tell one from another. Again, My Bad. Sorry if my comments in that regard were harsh. NOW.. for a real slugfest RE: new rules... does anyone have any thoughts on the current rules regarding reloading and the use of cover in that endeavor? As both a competitor and an SO I have seen some calls that baffled the mind. If you can't see the unengaged targets, then they can't see you. That would seem to me to have the shooter behind cover... or at least in a cover situation. Yet, sometimes that situation will occur when the shooter is many feet from an object that the COF says is cover. I say if you can't see the unengaged targets then they can't see you, and cover exists... regardless of whether the shooter is moving during the reload or not. Any thoughts? Chris Christian |
|||
Robert Carr |
|||
Jane wrote: Here's a place you can suggest IDPA rule changes... although I'm pretty sure IDPA isn't monitoring it..From the activity on the forum, I'd suspect that no one is monitoring it. This must be the best kept secret in all of IDPA land. Serioiusly folks, Jane has set up a nifty place to comment on rules you don't like, changes you'd like to see, etc. She has seeded the discussion with suggested changes to the SSR Power Floor, bumping at major matchs, and easing of the broken gun rule. It looks like a good start. Take your favorite pet peeve and post it over there. You do have to register, but it only takes a minute.
Robert Carr
Fat People Are Hard to Kidnap |
|||
RobMoore |
|||
|
Chris, as for the comments on cover, the membership of IDPA is pretty divided on this. Many a thread has tried to hash out the very valid points each side can
present. I suspect that HQ, rather than disappoint half its membership, will stay the course of ambiguity and leave it to the match directors out there to
disappoint half their competitors.
|
|||
ChrisC |
|||
|
Rob,
And they do it so well! Why change a winning formula if reality is not an issue. ChrisC |
|||
freeidaho |
|||
|
If I were King, I'd leave the rules of IDPA pretty much the same as they are now. The Purpose section and most of the rules make sense to me, and the
rules are working pretty darned well where clubs are trying to follow them.
I'd like to see the clarifications made here, on other forums, and questions to HQ to be clearly answerd in the new rule book. Then I'd like the verbage massaged by some of the technical writers that shoot IDPA. If the grammar and language were cleaned up I am sure there would be less questions. The organization and grouping of information that was done in 2005 should be maintained and improved for 2009. I'd get rid of the Tac Reload and Reload with Retention terms and use "chamber loaded reload" instead. That way a lot of verbage could be 86'd simplifying the rulebook. There is a whole lot of TR and RWR verbiage in the rulebook and the glossary. Then I'd swear all the ACs to secrecy and have them pre-review the rulebook before it goes public and make improvements. Each copy could be coded in such a way that any leaks could be tracked down to the AC that the copy was sent to. This may allow the rulebook to be released just one time instead of three times as in 2005, and maintain the integrity of the release process. And I am looking forward to the new Multigun rules. As for rule changes; I'd personally put all the striker fired handguns into a single division, probably ESP since they clearly do not work like a typical double action gun with a long 8-10 lb first trigger pull. (Except CDP of course.) Maybe this would bring more true double action guns back to IDPA. If the SSR powerfactor were changed to 120,000 that would be fine by me too. One ought to be able to buy off the shelf practice ammo that makes pf. I'd change the rule so that threat targets are marked with a weapon and non-threat targets do not have to be marked. After all this is a sport about self-defense. There is probably more, but that is all I remember for now. Thanks for listening, Ken Reed
+-+ E-Mail: freeidaho at yahoo dot com ...............................There is a $5 fine for whining. (Chris Ledoux "5 dollar
fine")
|--\ .................................................................................................You are what you do, everything else is just talk. |---| Personal web site to display ideas:................................Gaming is an admission that you can't win on a level playing field. /----\ <http://www.parmarng.org/freeidaho/default.html> |*----/\ |-------| My rifle, pistol, shotgun, and IDPA club: +------+ <http://www.parmarng.org> |
|||
Chuck |
|||
|
My intention of starting this thread was to find out about potential rule changes. I suspected that there might be some colorful discussion on some of the
topics and I meant no harm. I admit to being a fan of John Moses Browning design and was inspired to express my feelings by an peice that I read about the
Single Stack Society. I wouldn't call them snobs but perhaps purists.
I would also get rid of the Tac Reload and RWR. I would also delete the procedural for dropping a loaded magazine. I spent 9 years in law enforcement and things like that happen in real life. I also agree with freeidaho about the SSR power factor. Chuck
|
|||