http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/5262/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:55:24 GMT Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:24 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/5262/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34854/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34854 TEXASTACTICAL wrote:

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"Stop!" Reshoot........unless you know they did it on purpose. If that was the case then the answer is "Tic Toc Dude" feeds@yuku.com (Gregg Kratochvil) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34854 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:39:24 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34826/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34826 ]]> feeds@yuku.com (TEXASTACTICAL) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34826 Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:40:06 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34747/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34747 pencorco wrote:

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So if I'm shooting a COF and I don't like the way I'm doing I can just shoot one of the target clips so the target falls or the stand fails. Then I'll be able to re-shoot the stage. If you are having a bad COF but you are able to deliberatly shoot a small clip used to hold a target (lets say a 1 inch by 1/2 inc clip). or even a 2 inch wide peace of lath so that it will fail without... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (TechPyle) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34747 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:14:04 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34733/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34733
Give the guy a friggin' re-shoot. This is a very gray area, unadressed by the rule book, the COF description, or known club protocol, so the decision should be made in favor of the shooter.

Koski ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Steve Koski) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34733 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:04:57 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34732/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34732
So the first guy that hit the stick is not penalized. And the second guy that hit the stick is not penalized. But the third guy, y'all claim should not get a reshoot because the stick broke. Seems inequitable to me.
... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (freeidaho) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34732 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:08:52 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34726/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34726 feeds@yuku.com (Diesel doc) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34726 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:55:40 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34725/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34725
I would never do this at a match.

But I would not like the precedence to be set that you can re-shoot the stage if you CAUSE a "prop failure".

Wouldn't that be the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (pencorco) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34725 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:49:27 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34716/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34716 Diesel doc wrote:

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The stand did not fail, he shot the stick into. Go back and read the first post. Here is the first post "A shooter shoots at a IDPA target and hits the stick, breaking the stick in half, and the target flopps around and is now un-shootable. Prop failure and reshoot? Or tuff luck, shoot better and the stick will not break by it's self? "

The target was unshootable. Seems clear... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (robertbank) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34716 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:26:47 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34715/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34715 feeds@yuku.com (Diesel doc) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34715 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:07:33 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34714/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34714 Like I said, we expect our target stands to withstand bullet strikes. In every match, there's lot of them, and nothing noticeable happens.
In the case mentioned at the start, something did happen: the stand no longer held the target in the correct position. Since the target was not intended to move or disappear, and it did not move or disappear for any of the other shooters, then the shooter was not... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (FieldShunt) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34714 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:04:31 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34712/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34712 feeds@yuku.com (Diesel doc) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34712 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:55:16 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34709/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34709 In USPSA, as mentioned above, it's a no-question reshoot. That's the way the rule's written.
What's the important factor here is that the target stand has failed. All of our props are designed to keep working properly even if struck by a bullet, including target stands. They're designed to be able to withstand the occasional hit, and good ones do.
The critical point is that once the stand has failed, the course is no... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (FieldShunt) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34709 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 15:01:44 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34694/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34694
These are only my opinions and are normally not shared by others.
]]> feeds@yuku.com (pencorco) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34694 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:19:53 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34693/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34693 pencorco wrote:

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I ran into the same problem with the steel targets at this years Frozen Penguin. They used a steel leg to hold up a hidden cardboard target. You were required to shoot the leg out, hence dropping the target on its side and becoming visible. I shot the steel leg, which was app. 3" wide X 12" high, on the side which rotated it 90 degrees. This created a 1/4" x 12" shooting area. I then proceeded... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (robertbank) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34693 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:16:46 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34667/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34667 feeds@yuku.com (pencorco) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34667 Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:23:47 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34629/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34629
Koski ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Steve Koski) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34629 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:22:27 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34627/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34627 I think I have developed a belief that reshoots are never as good as the first run. At least for me.

Ken your post reminded me of a match in our club where there were 8" plates sitting on top of a steel bar. LolliPop.
One shooter took 7 hits on one plate to knock it on the ground. Each hit spun the plate and failed to knock it down until the 7th shot.
It is urban legend now... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Radome) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34627 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:44:31 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34617/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34617 feeds@yuku.com (Steve Koski) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34617 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:44:43 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34615/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34615
This one happened this past Saturday at Phillipsburg. I was on the other squad and Lenny was putting away his chronograph.

If I were running the shooter I would tell them too bad. The stick did not break by itself. The shooter broke the stick with a very bad shot and I would let them bask in their glory. Let's say the target is a steel plate (and I have seen this happen) and the shooter hits the plate on the edge and it turns 90 degrees. Now only the edge... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (SauconValleyShooter) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34615 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:26:40 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/reply/34594/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html#reply-34594 freeidaho wrote:

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Lenny,
If the target is still visible and they continue to shoot the stage, I offer them a reshoot. They can take their current score or reshoot.

If the target becomes un-shootable as in your case, then it seems like it has to be a reshoot.

Ken Reed +1

]]> feeds@yuku.com (Hot Brass) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/sreply/34594 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:03:34 GMT http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/5262/t/Reshoot-or-no-reshoot.html feeds@yuku.com (PPC Eljay) http://idpaforum.yuku.com/topic/5262 Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:55:24 GMT